Sunday, March 28, 2010

is the bill in right direction

these are random note on the my thought about the real benefit, i have been able to coherently structure them here as of now
unsurity:
I am still unsure how long the bill will go in developing country! what we need is best people to become mps not depending on sex ,cast or faith, being a mp is not less thn being CEO of a big firm, and these positions should go to best deserving ones, In no way I mean am against women in parliament, i would love to see 50% of them there, but i cant understand ingenuity of quota system,the person who has worked most for people in particular area should get elected, the person who as vision and will to change the society for better.... we cant have quotas in this...
I guess founders of our constitution understood this thats why this provision wasnt made then... even when there was provision based on other criteria..
And now we live in a age where we can opt for better ways to do it ..quota system is out of time...its emotionally appealing. practically we can do these reforms with better methods.. in no way am against women in politics.. i would love to see equal representation by not by what of quotas.
we should understand the need uplift status of women in rural areas & indian homes and work on it, but this way, seems like a game-plan in bigger picture...rather we should law/quota for equal level male/female workforce of country,
but in the areas which are highly skilled like politics and business etc. there should be no reservations only programs and initiatives to help the weaker section(cast, sex or faith wise) to improve and get skilled to required level or otherwise general people would not get what they deserve...
yea i would also like to say it doesnt mean general people are getting what they deserve..but we should try to take step forward ..not backwards... lets focus on making everyone equal...in our struggle to remove biasses from society lets not make it let not become marketeers who play vote bank and emotional cards... rather than showing true statesmenhip by bringing in reforms that make everyone equal

....still working on it would complete soon***


i tired to ans last 4 points, even though wasnt abl to assimilate, thr intend
i guess i was trying last time to say that am for making women equal however do not understand the worth of quota system in the time like these..however if thy can achieve good i am happy as things wud be better...and all the while i was trying to have a discussion on looking at it from different perspective, however everyone is pushing there one agenda, which never has resulted in real progress, as what we sud be trying for is having best approach thn just following ideology or motives of activist to the hilt...

ideology backed by logic...sounds like real contradiction... if one is talking abt communist and democratic ideology or ideology of activity hereby meaning person hell bent on pursuit of specific goal n nothing else... as historical ths hv nt worded and will never do, as those intelligent sounding ppl, would always retrospection say either data was wrong, or implementation, or governance or the culture THEY ACCEPT THE MODEL WAS WRONG, THE EXPERIMENT WAS WRONG,
lets in this age shift are focus from ths one sided approaches to more evolving and ever changing approaches, aimming for common ground that is welfare for all!

whr does RBI and this part came in from i didnt get it, though am interest swarna if you elaborate.... in russia do ppl hv a choice more than India ... big question mark... here again i think i need to say I hv nothing against russia,
as for my choices it wud be pro india, and in my idea of india is pro humanitarian, thats what diversity is all about.

one more point, can some one tell me hw the law wud be implemented on land...has anyone thought abt issues thr..


am sad! you missed the point!
last time i was just talking abt being India
as for reservations thing my point was/is i am sure of the benefit to the nation as whole at the time we are in,
i am for development and equality of sex and if it does it i am in, however we are at very fragile socio-economic time, and i think we could have done it in better way
anyways.. i just wanted to discusses it, from different perspective as any move isnt only about achieve a certain motive, it also involves diverting resources and focus, and may sometime divert the current energy and determination...
hhmm.. i am hopeful that it would achieve its motives, and we will have holistic welfare!

my aim is just to seee India better, and as you say its diverse, it need diverse ideologies and methods, I cannt become better just be heeding to single sort of ideology no one has...

As for being Indian thing, i was talking about last time,
i can completely agree with you India is about diversity,
i thats what india is to me, its not abt one language, color, caste, sex, religion
but its about feeling a bond except for ths differences!
its abt working to create a unity, happiness and faith in the medley of so many different things....
thats what India is and has portrayed itself from ages!

As for political thing, nice to hear you have and experience and first hand knowledge, i am naive but would like to try to make this work better, however i firmly believe no one ideology as in left or right, communist or capitalist would help our nation, we need to have mix for them, we need to have publice private partnership.. as most of times certain ideological person are more after proving their ideology work rather thn making sure things are better in real terms

""what do u mean by INDIAN? thr is no such thing. it is just a politico geographical grouping.""
what are nations.........or geographical marked area,
its would of course be grouping,
till world becomes borderless we have to believe in them...
but things is being Indian means being for that that area,
being patriotic about it, thinking to make it better,
feeling part of it... working for making it better...
thats what being Indian is!
its been one of the oldest geographical grouping with oldest continuation civilization

I am still unsure how long the bill will go in developing country! what we need is best people to become mps not depending on sex ,cast or faith, being a mp is not less thn being CEO of a big firm, and these positions should go to best deserving ones, In no way I mean am against women in parliament, i would love to see 50% of them there, but i cant understand ingenuity of quota system,the person who has worked most for people in particular area should get elected, the person who as vision and will to change the society for better.... we cant have quotas in this...
I guess founders of our constitution understood this thats why this provision wasnt made then... even when there was provision based on other criteria..
And now we live in a age where we can opt for better ways to do it ..quota system is out of time...its emotionally appealing. practically we can do these reforms with better methods.. in no way am against women in politics.. i would love to see equal representation by not by what of quotas.
we should understand the need uplift status of women in rural areas & indian homes and work on it, but this way, seems like a game-plan in bigger picture...rather we should law/quota for equal level male/female workforce of country,
but in the areas which are highly skilled like politics and business etc. there should be no reservations only programs and initiatives to help the weaker section(cast, sex or faith wise) to improve and get skilled to required level or otherwise general people would not get what they deserve...
yea i would also like to say it doesnt mean general people are getting what they deserve..but we should try to take step forward ..not backwards... lets focus on making everyone equal...in our struggle to remove biasses from society lets not make it let not become marketeers who play vote bank and emotional cards... rather than showing true statesmanship by bringing in reforms that make everyone equal


hey i guess ppl missed the point we i was saying..
1) i always want to have 50 % representation not for stats sake as we are equal in number and ability we sud have equal representation.
2) yea, true framer may have failed to visualise or their platter was full, and i would hv supported it thn, but now its arnd 60 years after that time... we should be working now on lifting people on economic bases nt class,caste, creed, sex & religion..though they apppeal much more...in politics sense
3) compared to societies of either iran or some-other nation, indian one is more dynamic in all respects not monolithic nor hv influence of religion in governance, oldest continuing civilization , and this is not a experiment which can be based on theories and experiences, its a case which should be thought abt in indian perspective
4) i am even aware of live examples of quota system in some places which helped in permanent increase in representation of women even after quotas were removed, and if that happens i am happy
6) i agree due to gender biased innuendo there are many men who do not justifiy where they are
5) i am saying mp's the the ceo of the respective constituency, lets make sure they are best persons to do job
6) what i am saying is when india is working hard to become vibrant and voters becoming more responsible... thr has been focus on good governance lately ....lets work on these stuffs...
7) a move like a new quota system could be a ploy to by our ""great"" political system to keep its in-efficiencies in place
8) i said at very first i am unsure, as most of people are madly runing after respective thr issues ... and with lot of marketing involved, its easy to miss bigger picture.. as its easy for some very intellegent people to play with masses with out even masses becoming aware of it

swarna if this is the step forward am with it as i said i am not against the end but means and its cost.... by the way i am ambiguous bcoz of am open to discussions and learning plus wanna knw different perspective.... as for coherent ideology ..they are good on paper only .. i have not seen one achieve its motive ever....
what i am looking for and want to working towards is rational thinking for betterment for society...its not about individul winning its about all of us living in better world..

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